We caught up with him to chat about his training, some book recommendation about nutrition, how many calories are in half a bag of cashews (hint: it’s a lot), and more. 

Brooks: Tell us about going from serious road training to trail. How did your training change? How did your nutrition change?

Joe McConaughy: I have gone through some profound changes in my training. I’m really grateful that I didn’t take myself too seriously when I came out of college. I think that has led to a really healthy relationship with running. I also started coaching trail runners in 2017, and that helped refine my approach to training and trails. When I was a college kid, I was doing about 60 miles a week with almost all my runs at 6:15 min/mile pace or faster. Now, I tend to run between 70–95-mile weeks, incorporate a quality amount of vertical gain, and take my easy days easy and hard days hard. 

I should give a big shoutout to Katie, my wife, who is wrapping up a master’s in Public Health Degree with a focus on dietetics at the University of Washington. She is a wonderful support for me in so many ways, including my daily nutrition. As I’ve gotten older, my biggest focus is on the quantity of food. We do a good job incorporating quality foods into our diets, eating a variety of foods, and eating lots of whole foods. It takes a lot of work to fuel my body appropriately. Katie and I laugh about a time when I sat down and ate half a bag of cashews as a mid-afternoon snack. We did the math after and realized that I had eaten almost 2,000 calories of cashews in less than 20 minutes. 

Brooks: How do you eat in the weeks leading up to long haulers? Do you have a diet plan? 

JM: I do not have a formal diet plan. I try to buy a variety of foods at the grocery store and let my hunger and palate do the rest. In the weeks leading up to a race, I’m usually finishing up a long block of 10-plus training hour weeks. If I’m feeling flat or fatigued, I usually go to food as a potential offender. Have I been eating enough protein? Enough carbs? Enough calories? Could I be low on vitamin D? Iron? I try to make sure these bases are covered because the body can start to break at the seams if something is missing.

Brooks: Athletes like Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt  chowed down enormous calorie loads for practice-heavy weeks. Is that common for runners like you? What are your thoughts?

JM: Yes, this is common for runners. Caloric burn and metabolism are fascinating topics of discussion that I think we will see some really interesting scientific breakthroughs and implications on health in the next decade. “Burn” by Hermann Pontzer is a great book that dissects some of this research in everyday terms.

Brooks: How did you educate yourself on your diet needs? How do you stay educated? 

JM: Staying educated on diet is tough. Especially in the dietetics and nutrition world, there is so much crap and misinformation out there. It seems like every other Instagram influencer is trying to convince people of a ‘magic hack’ that will help you lose weight or live a higher quality life. My rule of thumb is that if someone is preaching something that seems too good to be true, it likely is. 

One of my favorite books on a method of how athletes should fuel is the “Endurance Diet” by Matt Fitzgerald. He observes top endurance athletes and tries to identify trends in what and why they eat. When researching nutrition and race performance, I try not to get caught up in any source that might have any kind of bias or be interested in selling me a product. I try to practice basic tenets of eating a variety of food and eating enough. Throughout my life, I seem to be susceptible to anemia and low vitamin D. So, I’ve talked with medical professionals about bloodwork that I’ve gotten and try to get specific recommendations through them.

Brooks: We heard you are in a research study measuring time vs metabolic output. Can you share what that’s all about?

I was part of a research study directed by doctors Drew Best, Cara Ocobok, and Hermann Pontzer on my metabolic output. They took urine samples over a 10-day training block and throughout two different races. The first race was a record attempt on the Arizona Trail where I ran about 60 miles a day for 13 days through the state. The other event was the Cocodona 250, a 250-mile race that took about 2.5 days. 

We are trying to study the limits of human endurance through ultra-endurance events. The research team has gathered data from a variety of sources and are creating an equation to estimate the max daily metabolic (or caloric) output for endurance events lasting different lengths. So, they’ve taken the average 24-hour caloric output at events from a 100-mile road to a 3,000-mile race across the United States. They’ve found that as the length of an endurance event grows (from hours to days to weeks), the sustained daily output decreases.

With this data, they can make some interesting conclusions. Based on the length of an endurance event, they can estimate a max ceiling of metabolic output that someone can achieve. Using this information, they can also estimate the amount of average caloric burn the body can sustain in training. This likely has implications for endurance performance and training. [editor’s note: This research is still in the process of being published.]